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Confused About Nutrition? A Dietitian Explains What Actually Matters

• Mathew Ah Chow • Season 1 • Episode 11

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If you’ve ever felt overwhelmed trying to figure out what to eat… you’re not alone.

With so much conflicting advice online from fad diets to “miracle” supplements, it’s never been harder to know what’s actually right for your body.

In this episode of The Treatment Table, we sit down with accredited practising dietitian Erica Hung to cut through the noise and simplify nutrition in a way that actually makes sense.

Because food isn’t just about calories and macros, it’s connection, culture, and something we experience every single day.

What You’ll Learn in This Episode

  •  Why nutrition feels so confusing (and how to simplify it) 
  •  The truth about diets, what works and what doesn’t 
  •  How to build a sustainable, realistic approach to eating 
  •  The real role of gut health and why it matters 
  •  How nutrition impacts women’s health (PCOS, hormones, digestion) 
  •  The difference between a dietitian and a nutritionist, and why it matters 
  •  How to cut through misinformation and make confident food choices

About Our Guest
Erica Hung is an Accredited Practising Dietitian with over 7 years of experience working in private practice. She specialises in:

  •  Gut health & digestive conditions 
  •  Women’s health (PCOS, endometriosis, menopause) 
  •  Food relationships & sustainable nutrition 
  •  Chronic disease management 
  • Her approach focuses on helping people feel better through realistic, enjoyable, and sustainable changes, not restriction.

You can find more information here:

www.erikahungdietitian.com.au

Who This Episode Is For

This episode is for you if:

  •  You feel overwhelmed by nutrition advice online 
  •  You’ve tried diets but can’t stick to them 
  •  You struggle with gut issues or food intolerances 
  •  You want a simple, practical approach to eating better 
  •  You’re tired of second-guessing your food choices 

Actionable Takeaway

Start simple.

Instead of chasing the “perfect diet”, focus on:
 👉 Consistency over perfection
 👉 Adding, not restricting
 👉 Finding what works for your lifestyle

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See you next week on the Treatment Table!

SPEAKER_00

Food. It can be beyond nutrients and have an impact to your body. It's connection, it's love, it's joy, it's family, and that's a really, really important part of working with people in everyday life that we don't neglect that, that there is still that side of food as well. I really do feel like it comes from the fact that there is a lot of misinformation and noise about the about what's right, what's wrong, and then what's right for you with where you're at in life. It's it's one of the quote-unquote diets that I would support that are really good.

SPEAKER_01

Welcome to the Treatment Table Podcast, your guide to a healthier and happier you. I'm your host, Doctor of Physiotherapy Matthew Archow, and each week we share simple strategies to help you move better, feel better, and live healthier. So before we dive in today, please make sure you follow and subscribe to the Treatment Table Podcast so you don't miss out on our weekly tips to helping you stay active and pain free. Today's episode is a topic I've been wanting to cover for a long time. And honestly, I've been searching for the right guest for the past six months because I wanted to do it justice. So I was genuinely excited when I connected with today's guest. She's an accredited practicing dietitian with over seven years of experience with a special interest in gut health, women's health, neurodivergence, fusset eating, plant-based nutrition, and chronic disease management. Which, to be honest, we could probably do an entire season on. But we're going to try and see how much we can squeeze in today's episode. So I'm very excited to welcome Erica Hung. Erica, thank you so much for being here and sharing your knowledge with our listeners.

SPEAKER_00

Thanks so much for having me, Matthew. I'm super excited to be on the podcast, the treatment table. Um, it sounds like it's been an awesome season so far.

SPEAKER_01

It's been a journey. It has. It has. So if we go back to our very first episode, the start of our season, I spoke about how health and happiness sits on three key pillars. It's what I call our three-legged stool. So it's movement, sleep, and nutrition. So far, we've covered movement, ways to train, ways to move better. But today, really excited to dive into that third pillar. And I think it's one of the ones that people struggle a lot with nutrition. So I'm really excited today to break down into really simple practical steps and things that our listeners can start to implement straight away. So before we dive in to everything in terms of nutrition and gut health and inflammation, how to fuel your body, can you tell us a little bit about who Erica Hung is?

SPEAKER_00

Yes. Thank you so much for the intro. Yeah, Matthew, a little bit like you said, I'm an accredited practicing dietitian, um, around seven years in the field, and I've been mainly working in private practice, so one-on-one clients and consults. And really what I love doing is helping clients and individuals achieve their health goals, feel their best through good, delicious food, um, but also with like sustainable diet and nutrition changes. Um, some of my interest areas, like you said, women's health, like PCOS, endo, perimenopause, and menopause, but I definitely love gut health and IBS and complex digestive conditions like celiac, IBD, food intolerances. Um, and a few more, yeah. You mentioned plant-based nutrition, neurodivergent, chronic disease. Um, and something I just feel is really special about the way I like to work with my patients is um making sure I create a really safe space in our consult so they don't feel judged, they feel heard and listened to and and not meant to meant not meant to feel like a failure because nutrition can become complex with a lot of the noise out there, especially on social media.

SPEAKER_01

Definitely. So much conflicting information out there, and I think it gets overwhelming and complicated. Should we be eating this, doing this diet, don't do a diet, should we be fasting, should we take these supplements? So there's a lot of that, and I think we'll dive into a few of those things today. But where does your passion come from?

SPEAKER_00

Yeah, that's a great question. I guess um, well, first, what drew me to nutrition is actually my mum. She has a couple of chronic health conditions that um couldn't be cured or managed through traditional medicine. And she did work on a lot of um uh not alternative, but lifestyle um methods on the side. Um, she does video a lot of nutrition and health. Um, so that kind of drew me to um working in a space that can complement medicine and help people really get outcomes and feel better. Um, and then really just through my work with private practice, I really did fall into gut health and IBS. I just really loved how um you could get outcomes pretty quickly, like the symptoms can be changed. It's it's quite measurable. And maybe just the science behind it. Like I loved human anatomy and physiology and the digestive tract and gut health and those kinds of conditions, they really work in that way. So I've got a real scientific brain. I love that. And then as I worked more and more in gut health, that's when women's health did fall into it, like endo, because there's a big crossover there. So yeah, that's a little bit about how I fell into nutrition and where I started enjoying my specialty areas. Um, and I would say three or four years ago, I connected with and worked alongside an amazing colleague who was a specialist in neurodivergence and just learning from her, it was so special to understand more about how to support neurodivergent clients. And that's become a really um special place in my heart to work with those patients and help them with their health goals.

SPEAKER_01

What's the difference then between a dietitian and nutritionist?

SPEAKER_00

Yes, that is a question we get all the time. Um, a few differences. One, um, to be an accredited practicing dietitian in Australia, you need to have done a university course, a bachelor's degree, and we're registered with Dieticians Australia, which is like a peak organization body where we're heavily regulated. Um, we've got to follow professional practices, ethical codes, we have to do professional development hours, so lots of training on the side, and that gets audited. Um, so heavy, heavily regulated, and we can also work in hospitals and with specific health conditions. Whereas a nutritionist isn't as well regulated, you can have that title without doing a university course. Um, I don't want to bag on nutritionists because there are a lot who are accredited and they have done training in that area, um, but it's not as well regulated. And as a nutritionist, you're not actually able to work with specific health conditions or in a hospital.

SPEAKER_01

Yeah, so that was the uh, I guess what triggered that question. I think your ability to break down more complex conditions and understand and how that influences the body and how that integrates, just not what we think about our stomach. I think the general conception of our stomach is that we just uh put whatever down there and it does its thing and hope for the best, right? Yeah. We don't really, when we think of our health, we don't think of how does the gut impact our health overall and how does that interplay. And I think that's something that I've just intuitively learnt over time and through my own kind of training and understanding and try to understand and how food affects me differently, and it's been a fun journey because I think when I look back at my relationship with food, um, coming from a family that loves food and celebrates with food and eats lots and lots of food. Um, it was always this thing of you know, food was a reward and food was something that was, you know, something that we really enjoy. And so that was quite an interesting learning journey of going through like when I was competing with karate full-time. Um, how do I fuel my body? What foods help me perform better? Um I know people are looking at me weird because I was doing beetroot shots before competition.

SPEAKER_00

Yeah, no, there's so much evidence behind that. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01

So it was cool to really dive into those little things that can kind of help um quite instantly, as you said. Yes, it's not like uh something that just happens in the background and takes a long time. So it's something um that I think, as I said, that third pillar is so important and we just don't talk about it enough.

SPEAKER_00

Yeah, that's exciting. You've done a bit of I love working in performance nutrition as well, um, with like sports. There's a lot of great things that can be done in there. But I love actually, you did touch on something that I don't ever neglect when working with patients is that food it can be beyond nutrients and how it impacts your body. It's connection, it's love, it's joy, it's family. And that's a really, really important part of working with people in everyday life that we don't neglect that, that there is still that side of food as well.

SPEAKER_01

Yeah, that's important. Don't want to not love food.

SPEAKER_00

Yeah, it's good.

SPEAKER_01

That's why I train so hard so I can eat well. Um, what do you see commonly with your clients or you know, within private practice? What are the common mistakes that people are making? I know it's general, but yeah, what are some of the things that you commonly, you know, find yourself saying, repeating a lot?

SPEAKER_00

Yes, oh a lot.

SPEAKER_01

A lot.

SPEAKER_00

Sometimes when I think of it fundamentally, I really feel like it comes from the fact, and I mentioned it earlier, that there is a lot of nutrition noise out there. There's a lot of information online, in the media, social media, TikTok, Instagram, everywhere, YouTube. Um, and a lot of it can be misinformation, a lot of it can also be accurate, but is it like accurate for you and your specific goal and your health conditions and where you are in life and what you have access to? And then that can become really overwhelming. And so it can I often just see that then delving into common traps of like, is fruit good or bad for me? Should I be having breakfast? Um, carbs, are they bad? Do I need to cut them out? Can I eat bread more than once a day? Like those are definitely top things that I'm talking about every day. And I really do feel like it comes from the fact that there is a lot of misinformation and noise out there about what's right, what's wrong, and then what's right for you with where you're at in life.

SPEAKER_01

Does lead me to the next question, which is about diets.

SPEAKER_00

Yep.

SPEAKER_01

Um, again, a lot of noise around the diets, and there's always different diets, and and but one of the ones that stuck out a lot is the Mediterranean diet.

SPEAKER_00

Yes.

SPEAKER_01

So I'd love to dive in a little bit of that. Uh, we had a longevity doctor on, and he was reporting that the Mediterranean diet for long term had a 25% lower um mortality rate, and those who were on it had a 24% lower risk of cancer death. What's your thoughts on the Mediterranean diet?

SPEAKER_00

Yeah, it really is. I think if you spoke to any accredited practicing dietitian, we love the Mediterranean diet. But it really is more of an overall dietary pattern rather than just specifically certain foods. More of like an overall pattern of lots of fruits and veggies and whole grains and legumes, nut seeds, healthy fats like our oily fish, and it's lower in processed foods and alcohol and red meat. So it's really an overall pattern that is linked with a lot of health benefits. And it's really well studied because it's a pattern of eating that they can replicate and studies and research on. We see a lot of benefits out of it. And yeah, I know I'm a big supporter of it because it can um it's linked to things like improved heart health, reduced inflammation in the areas that I work in, supporting with endo and PCOS. So it's it's one of the quote unquote diets that I would support that are really good. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01

What is it that makes it so effective?

SPEAKER_00

I guess it's really high in certain nutrients like fiber, um, healthy fats that I mentioned earlier, um a lot of antioxidants, and it's really low in well, it's lower in processed foods and a lot of inflammatory nutrients and things like alcohol.

SPEAKER_01

Then how does it compare to, I guess, what you would currently see now in our Australian diet? What are the big contrasts to what we consume now on a general basis versus the Mediterranean diet?

SPEAKER_00

Yeah, well, kind of the opposite. Like we're lower in fiber, we're lower in fruits and veg and whole grains, um, and we are swinging more towards processed fast food and more alcohol or sugar-sweetened beverages. So really quite the opposite, um, broadly speaking. Yeah. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01

Fiber's an interesting one. Something I don't really understand about. Can you give us a bit more understanding of what fiber is and why is it so important? Like you hear about it, but I don't actually know what it is.

SPEAKER_00

Yeah. To a gut health dietitian, like I could probably do like five episodes on fiber. Um scientifically, it's like the indigestible part of our plant foods. So, like fruits, veggies, grains, beans, nuts, and seeds. It's a part of that that we don't actually digest and absorb. It travels all the way through our digestive tract down to the ends, the large intestine. And in the large intestine are a bunch of bacteria, which are good, but they they eat or they ferment that fiber, and in that process they produce beneficial byproducts that do amazing things for our health, like improve our mood, our sleep, our blood sugars, our heart health, and fiber also just adds a lot of bulk to our stool and helps us have regular bowel motions, which has a whole host of other benefits.

SPEAKER_01

Our uh woman's health physio would definitely agree with that. Yeah. So that's very important. And in terms of the anti-inflammatory effect of food, how does that work?

SPEAKER_00

Yeah, really great question. And like to keep it top level and not too um scientific, I guess inflammation in the body, it is a process where there's a lot of um free radicals getting produced in chemical reactions that uh they create a lot of issues in the body. I'm trying to keep it really top level here. Um and in anti-inflammatory foods, they have they're full of what we call antioxidants that can neutralize those free radicals in the body and reduce inflammation. Um and they and fiber is an anti-inflammatory nutrient, but so things like vitamin C and vitamin E.

SPEAKER_01

No, the first thing that comes to my head, I don't know why, is leaves, like in autumn, and then like having to rake up all the leaves.

SPEAKER_00

Oh, yeah.

SPEAKER_01

Yeah, so it comes so so part of that is like inflammation is in our body everywhere, and the free radicals, free radicals go out and then help to clean up the leaves. And so that you know, without that, there those leaves just build and build and build, and you eventually just step in on layers and layers and layers of leaves, and it just doesn't go anywhere, right? Like eventually the body breaks it down, but it just kind of builds. I don't know, that's yeah.

SPEAKER_00

Well, everyday things in our life or when we're injured or certain lifestyle behaviors can create inflammation in the body, which is actually a good thing because it's a process of healing, um, especially when we call it acute inflammation, like when you get a cut on your finger, it's swelling, it's bleeding, it's sore, like that's inflammation, and that's acute, and it helps heal that cut. And in that process, a lot of inflammatory molecules are being made. Um, but there's something called chronic inflammation where there are um things happening in our body, and that inflammation is going long term, and that's not so great for the body because all those little free radicals are creating damage in the body, and anti-inflammatory neutriums help calm them down and and produce those noisy, messy molecules and help the body with healing. Does that yeah, that's really good?

SPEAKER_01

You did a really good job explaining that.

SPEAKER_00

Usually I'm great with analogies, but I didn't have one for this.

SPEAKER_01

Uh, does that link into IBS? Is that a similar process or is that something different?

SPEAKER_00

No, that is quite different. IBS is is a functional gut disorder. There's nothing structurally happening in there, like there's no damage in the intestine, there's no inflammation. So if you have IBS, you'll probably see a gastroenterologist and they'll want to do a colonoscopy, like put a camera in your intestines, and they'll see nothing wrong. They won't see any inflammation, they won't see any damage. But what's actually happening is the way your gut is functioning is different. You're getting diarrhea or constipation or bloating or you're feeling pain more easily. So there's not necessarily inflammation underlying IBS there, it's more of a functional disorder.

SPEAKER_01

Interesting. Yeah. So what's bloating? What's bloating? Yeah.

SPEAKER_00

Wow, that's a really great question. Bloating is technically it's sense the sensation of um feeling quite full and like this air in your tummy. Um, slightly different to that, but often coexisting is distension, where there's like that physical protrusion of your stomach or your belly, because there's gas building up in there. Um, so bloating is more towards the sensation and the feeling, and distension is the actual physical protrusion out. Yeah. And there's so many causes for bloating. So many. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01

Wow, very interesting. Yeah. And what are the things that you do within your practice to help with uh IBS, particularly?

SPEAKER_00

Yeah, well, it actually fundamental is doing a really thorough initial assessment because there are so many moving parts when it comes to IBS that you really want to get a really good history of a patient's whole medical picture. Do they have co-occurring conditions like endo or celiac disease? Part of that assessment is I really like to do a deep dive into the pattern of their gut symptoms like the bloating, how often it's there, is it daily? Do they wake up with it? Does it build up across the day? Is it right after melon goes down? I want to get a good idea of their stools and their poops, how often are they pooping daily, multiple times a day, what the stool type is, is it really loose or is it hard pebbles? Um, how empty they feel after passing a poop. So really good detailed um assessment of their symptoms and then assessment of their diet and their eating pattern, their stress levels and their exercise. And then only from there can we start creating a plan and some strategies on how to target the IBS or the bloating or their symptoms. So we can go in lots of different directions, but it all hinges off a thorough initial assessment and what's going on for that patient.

SPEAKER_01

Yeah. Very interesting. So very similar, I guess, in terms of physio, we really want to stand the whole big picture. It's not, I guess, everybody wants the one exercise that's going to fix all the, you know, the one, the one diet that's going to have all the answers. But you really need someone from the outside who's an expert to look and be able to recognize those patterns and see, you know, what is best for you and how do you make those changes, not just to make the short-term wins, but what you know, what's, like you said, sustainable and long-term changes. Yeah. Can we dive into what does it mean in terms of poor gut health? And you know, a lot of what we see, I guess, on social media now is um probiotics and pre-probiotics, and you know, should be taking supplements or not supplements. And um, there's been some interesting studies on poo transplants as well, as one of the only ways to improve gut health in terms of the microbiome. Uh, what's your thoughts around that?

SPEAKER_00

Yeah, well, lots of questions in there, but I guess good gut health is when you're you're not um experiencing and suffering with lots of symptoms across the day. You're having regular poops, and regular poops can be anywhere from three times a day to once every three days, so it's quite different. But you're not getting bloating, you're not getting pain, you're feeling completely emptied when you pass a poop. Um, so those are some signs that you have good gut health, also because your gut health is so linked to your immune system that being frequently sick can be a sign of poor gut health. Um, and when it comes to improving gut health from a broader level, it comes down to eating a diet that's high in fiber. So fruits, veggies, grains like oats and quinoa, and whole grain cereals like wheat bicks, your legumes, your nuts and seeds. Um, so having a nice high fiber diet, but also what we call a diversity of plant foods. So all of those plant foods that I mentioned, they all feed a different strain of bacteria in your gut. And good gut health is when we have a nice diverse range of bacteria in our gut. Like a like think of a sports team or like a soccer team. Like it's a pretty bad team if it's just shooters got. Food is you want a nice diversity of strengths across the team. And so your gut health's like that. You want a nice diverse range of different species in there. And because each different species loves a different plant food, we know that having a diverse range of plant foods is the best way to get good gut health. In fact, there is a really good study that showed 30 or more different plant foods a week really helps improve your gut diversity and gut health. And when I say plant foods and the different ones, I'm like talking different fruits, like apples versus oranges versus strawberries, or like broccoli versus cauliflower. Um, that's what I mean by diversity and getting a nice diverse range of them across the week is the best way to improve your gut health.

SPEAKER_01

One of the things I've noticed if I have certain foods, and at the moment it's particularly, and I don't know why because it's never used to be, but it is quite bad now. Um, pizza, sourdough, particularly like heavy wheat-based foods, like a wheat beer, I will have bloating. But what I found particularly, the bloating was okay, and I think I've always put up with that. It's the mental health. I feel foggy and heavy, and if I have a combination of alcohol and wheat, so pizza and beer, I am like feeling depressed for about three days. So the impact I've had has been quite heavy, so now I just don't eat it. But yeah, what what is the link between obviously, you know, if we have sugar, we feel great. Um, but yeah, what's the link between what we eat and how does that affect our mood at such a big level?

SPEAKER_00

Yeah, that is a great question. And that's something we had some awesome research behind here. Actually, it was an Australian trial. It's called the SMILES trial. And really, there is a huge link between the food we eat and our mental health, and it is actually via one of the ways is through the gut. It's called the gut brain axis. So our gut communicates to our brain. Well, it's two-way, and our brain communicates back to our gut through a number of different pathways. Um, that can be through the bacteria and the things they produce, through neural pathways. And we do know that when we eat a more inflammatory style of eating, which is alcohol, processed foods, high-fat foods, processed meats. I'm sure your pizza had a lot of salami or pepperoni. Yeah, I was gonna say, yeah. So good. Um, that can have a negative impact on our mental health. But on the flip side, and funny you said it, a Mediterranean style of eating pattern, because it reduces inflammation and can improve gut health, that actually can improve our mental health. And that SMILES trial I was talking about earlier, that was on participants with depression. And they had some of them on what they call a modified Mediterranean diet. So it had those principles of a Mediterranean diet, but adapted to what was available in Australian supermarkets. Um they had significantly improved depression scores by starting it compared to the comparison group, which weren't on a Mediterranean diet, which was amazing. Like to actually be able to do a proper trial and see that a certain way of eating can have clinical improvements in depression scores is awesome. And it is through that gut brain axis and the impact it has on inflammation and neuromodulators and all those crazy things that travel up to your brain and improve or change your mood.

SPEAKER_01

So you can eat your way into being happier.

SPEAKER_00

Yeah, you actually can. Yeah. And you'd you'd be surprised, like that modified Mediterranean diet, it was things like baked beans. Wow. Like wheat bakes, um, canned lentils, tins of tuna. Like it wasn't anything crazy. It still had those basic elements of a Mediterranean diet, but they kept it as practical and feasible as possible. Because the other thing about working with mental health is especially if you've got depression, it's really hard to make dietary changes and that motivation there. And it's a bit of a catch-22. So you want to make sure the strategies that we come up with to support mental health are realistic and achievable. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01

Amazing. So cool. When should someone see a dietitian?

SPEAKER_00

I'm gonna be so biased and say that I think everyone should see a dietitian. Think of it like um, like a dentist, like every six well, I haven't been, but like you are supposed to see them regularly to get your teeth checked, like you should get your diet checked. But if you are if you've got a specific health condition like IBS or high cholesterol or diabetes, or you've got a specific health condition that food is linked to, seeing a dietitian is yeah. Awesome. Seeing someone, yeah, yeah, definitely.

SPEAKER_01

Uh, where can I guess find you?

SPEAKER_00

Find me. Um, well, I am on Instagram, so Erica Hung underscore dietitian. Um, I am working on getting my website live as well. Um, so I'll give that to you to link in the show notes.

SPEAKER_01

Link in the show notes.

SPEAKER_00

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01

So Erica, each week we do an exercise of the week, which builds on creating healthy habits, sustainable practices that lead us on this journey to living a consistently healthier and happier life. Because nutrition is not my uh specialty, I thought I'd throw it to you this week. What are some simple tips that our listeners can use to help manage their bloating?

SPEAKER_00

Yes, I love this question, particularly because people, especially what you see online, it's all about cut this out, cut this out, cut this out for bloating, but it doesn't quite work like that. One of the best things, it's not even related to eating a certain food, is slowing down and chewing well. When we eat really fast, we gulp a bunch of air, we get these big chunks of food that enter our stomach. But if you slow down and chew your food well until it's like a puree consistency, that can be a really awesome way to getting to managing bloating. Yeah. When you're saying after your pizza, I'm just imagining you like shoveling down. So slowing down, chewing well is definitely one. The other one is reducing bubble your fizzy drinks. Again, a nice, a bit of an easier one because you can imagine all that gas and that carbonated beverage can create bloating pretty quickly. Spreading your meals out across today. So if we eat a big, large meal at once, or if our biggest meal is at the end of the day, we can get bloating pretty quickly after that. So spreading the volume of your foods out across today. And then my my last one, which can become quite complex, but paying attention to your poops. And what I mean by that is if there is, if you're not pooping regularly or feeling completely emptied, that can create what we call backup bloat. Like think of your gut like this big pipe. And if you've got a bit of a blockage at the end and you're not emptying your stools regularly, that can create bloating that builds up across the day. And so getting on top of that quote unquote underlying constipation is a great way to manage bloating. And that's a combination of water and high fiber foods. But with fiber, you really want to be careful around that. It's a bit of a double-edged sword, it can make things worse. So that's where enlisting some expert help is really key. But slowly building fiber across today can be great for that.

SPEAKER_01

Amazing. So many good things, lots of homework.

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SPEAKER_01

For myself included. Too slower. Yeah. Well, thank you so much for coming onto the Treatment Table podcast and sharing all of your seven years of knowledge. Um, I think you've done amazing to break down very complex and difficult discussions into things that are quite practical and takeaway. So thank you for that. And uh thank you for uh yeah, allowing people to have a tool and a strategy that can not only help them be healthier but happier.

SPEAKER_00

Thank you so much for having me. No worries.

SPEAKER_01

Thank you so much for listening. I hope you enjoyed today's episode and I hope you take away some of those really simple, easy, and actionable steps towards your nutrition and your eating and your chewing so that you can start living that healthier and happier life. Now, before you go, please make sure you subscribe and follow so you don't miss out on our future guests and future tips. We'll see you next week on the treatment table.