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Why Exercise Is the Most Powerful Medicine (And It’s Free)

• Mathew Ah Chow • Season 1 • Episode 3

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What if one “medicine” could:

• Reduce cardiovascular disease risk by 59%
 • Lower dementia risk
 • Improve bone density by 40%
 • Boost metabolism
 • Reduce anxiety and depression

There is.

It’s exercise.

In this episode, I sit down with Principal Exercise Physiologist and AMS Co-Founder Kyle Petry, who brings over 30,000 hours of clinical experience helping everyone from elite athletes to people managing chronic disease.

We cover:

• Why exercise is the most under-prescribed medicine
 • How fear derails rehab (and how to stop the spiral)
 • The real reason New Year’s resolutions fail
 • How to build muscle safely at any age
 • Why low muscle mass increases surgical risk
 • The simplest strength exercise you can start at home today

If you want to stay strong, independent and active for decades to come, this episode is your starting point.

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SPEAKER_00

Think literally spiraling in their own head on the spot. And you've got to, you know, catch it early because I'm like, there's two things you're gonna do. You're gonna either leap in and go eat a thousand or two thousand calories, or you're gonna go do ten thousand steps. You've got the choice. We're so wide for negative connotations, thinking versus celebrating what you've actually achieved. Like it's so quick to turn negative off the smallest of things. The worst thing you can do is lift the same weight week in, week out, same exercises and expect change.

SPEAKER_01

Welcome to the Treatment Table Podcast, your guide to a healthier and happier you. I'm your host, Doctor of Physiotherapy Matthew Archow. And I'm so excited to kick this journey off with you. Now, whether you're juggling work, family, trying to get fit, eat healthier, or just trying to keep up with everything life is throwing at you, I'm here to give you some simple, straightforward steps to feeling better and living healthier. So before we dive in, please make sure you follow and subscribe the Treatment Table Podcast so you don't miss out on our weekly tips for a healthier and happier life. What if I told you there was an incredible medicine that can reduce your cardiovascular disease risk by 59%, could reduce your risk of dementia when you're older, can keep you boosting your metabolism and fat even after taking it, and reduce anxiety and depression. And for our female listeners, it would also protect you from osteoporosis. It's a silent killer in women over 50 years old by improving bone density and risk of fractures by 40%. You'd probably say there's no way one medication can do it all. But there is. And that miracle is exercise. So for so many of us, and this might extend to you listening, it's often the last thing you want to do. It's a chore, it's hard, and sometimes uncomfortable. And then when you do try, it takes so long to see results, or you get injured and you're just forced to stop. So to tackle these barriers, today we are joined by principal exercise physiologist and co-founder of Active Movement Studio and longtime friend Carl Petri. So Carl Petri's been in the health industry for over 18 years and over 12 years as a senior accredited exercise physiologist with over 30,000 hours of clinical experience. It's a lot of early morning starts, helping hundreds of clients from elite athletes to those managing complex chronic diseases. He also shares his knowledge and wealth of experience as a clinical educator for the University of Sydney, helping up-and-coming exercise physiologists.

SPEAKER_00

So, welcome Carl. Thanks, Matt. Sounds half impressive.

SPEAKER_01

Yeah. So can you let our listeners know who Karl Petri is?

SPEAKER_00

Yeah, well, rewind the clock. Born and bred in South Africa. I suppose that's two two commonalities we have between uh one another. Born in '86 Cape Town, dad's from Germany, mum's from she's got a bit of Dutch in her, but yeah, moved to to South Africa pretty early. Yeah, went to primary school there. We we moved over to Australia in 1999. Mum and dad were chasing a better life. I remember the move over my dirt bike was um stored in a container, and that was the first thing we got out of the shipping container when we landed here. So yeah, I guess I grew up racing dirt bikes, and that's probably where my competitive nature really stemmed from. But yes, I know race competitively in South Africa, did really well, did nationals there, came over here and uh kept that journey alive for a bit and uh underwent a couple of injuries, and that's kind of where my gym, the love for the gym started. Have you always been into the gym? Um, not prior to that, no. So we were um, I would just spend hours and hours on the the motorbike practicing during the week. Dad would take us out, it was the best. Um, but yeah, uh undergoing injury, that was um that was the my first exposure to physio, um, and then getting into the gym and getting stronger.

SPEAKER_01

So gym was more, I guess, secondary to getting you back on the bike.

SPEAKER_00

Yeah, for sure. So the the injury that I went through, and um it's always good to go through this stuff because you can sympathize with your clients, right? Um, in terms of the adversities people go through. Um, so I came off in a bit of a dust storm, first lap, um, was written over a couple of times, ACL knee, so it was a 12-month rehab process, as you know. And that's where I guess I got my first taste of the power of the human body and how it can repair itself and um how much stronger you can get on the other end.

SPEAKER_01

Do you think that's where your kind of passion for helping other people through similar stories?

SPEAKER_00

Yeah, definitely that would have definitely played a played a role for sure. I think seeing what the physios did as well at the time, and I was like, oh, the power of what they could do was it was a big, big eye opener for me. Could never see myself sitting behind a desk either. A little bit lost after high school, didn't really know where we were we were heading. So um did so three four, started in that space, kind of really uh yeah, that obviously that's where we met at Next Generation in Ride back in the day. Yeah, it was I think I spent a year PTing and then enrolled into uni. Yeah, probably half inspired by you doing it.

SPEAKER_01

And just thinking too, I guess that feeling of being on that bike, how does that compare to being at the gym? Like, is it something that's comparable for you, or do you do the gym because you can be on the bike?

SPEAKER_00

No, I do the gym, so I download my own bike now as well. So I guess I do the gym to keep me up to speed for that. Um the gym doesn't give me the same dopamine response as the bike does, it's different. Um, you still get that endorphin response, so it's still a good feeling, right? But it's different, yeah. So do the gym because I love the gym. And I know the importance of obviously keeping strong. I've seen I've seen all walks of life, obviously, after 30,000 contact hours. So you've seen the individual that's been crushed between two trucks coming back from rehab rehab there, um, versus the athlete preparing for trying to get into Paralympics, for example. So I suppose I've got an appreciation for the fact that I can freely move whenever I want to move versus the person that's dying to get out of a wheelchair to move.

SPEAKER_01

You were saying before it's easier for you to um empathize and understand that journey of going from injury with the particular moments you can think back to where you felt stuck in that rehab process, or how did you get past those points of rehab and kind of getting back on the bike?

SPEAKER_00

Yeah, um, there was there was always moments throughout the the process, I guess. Um I was the the best thing that happened was getting that cast off my leg. I was in cast from groin down to ankle. Oh well. You get an itch on the knee, you could couldn't get a long enough needle, right? So we've still actually got the front of the cast, which I think dad wrote No Fear, which was a motorcycle brand at the time as a souvenir, he keeps it. But um, yeah, definitely I suppose you the support networks were important as well. So Fuzier was key for that, dad was key for that as well. Uh he was a you know get up, get on with it kind of guy. So yeah, I think tinkering with the bike in the garage was was cool as well. So doing little mini upgrades, servicing, like that sort of stuff. So um, so you still kind of felt a little bit connected to it, I guess.

SPEAKER_01

Yeah, it's cool. So just keeping that dream alive, right? Keeping those little contacts. I guess coming from that, where do you how do you take from what you've learned in that process and how do you help your clients um overcome the ones that maybe get stuck or they feel like, how am I gonna pass this injury?

SPEAKER_00

Yeah, it's good actually. I had um last week I had a gentleman rock up and he um it was a running joke actually because I said to him he's from Sweden, and um he's dexterity is questionable, if you like, but we call it proprioception, so he's bought body awareness, right? So some people come from a strong movement background, some don't. You can always develop it. He had an ice ring accident, injured his shoulder, soft tissue injury, wasn't great, slight tear, rotator cuff. Anyway, that we resolved that, worked through that. That was good. I saw him last week, great session. Came back in and said, Oh, like I've done something to my shoulder. I don't know if I slept on it, funny, it's really not good. Couldn't lift it above shoulder height, and he was up in arms about it. He was like, Oh, you know, I've felt like I've just got back on track. So I said to him, you know what, jump on the treatment table, as Matt calls it, and let's um let's have a look at it and see what we can do. Did a bit of work on him, a bit of mobility work, some stretching, trigger ball release sort of stuff. I got a message from him two days later, and he said, mate, don't know what you did, but just got that emoji right. So he was um that's the stuff we live and breathe for, right?

SPEAKER_01

What do you think would have happened if you if he hadn't seen you at that time?

SPEAKER_00

Yeah, so look, he wore I could see it straight away to be honest. He was spiralling in his own head. He's like, Oh, I've come so far, like this is gonna be a big setback again. Like, because it took a while for that shoulder to become good, in fairness. So I said to him, Listen, just chill out. It's probably nothing that serious. Um, let's have a look at it and we'll go from there. So I think catching it, and look, I see that over and over. Like, you throw someone on the scales and they have a bad week, for example. I've seen clients are literally spiraling in their own head on the spot, and you've got to, you know, catch it early. Because I'm like, there's two things you're gonna do. You can either leave here and go eat a thousand or two thousand calories, or you're gonna go do ten thousand steps. You've got the choice, right? So, yeah, I think just helping people understand that you know shit happens, I guess. Like it's not it's not exact science, you don't always have a win every week. There's ups and downs, but as long as it's uh the you know, we're heading to that overall goal.

SPEAKER_01

So it's really uh that support network and having that someone close to you where you're able to, I guess, in those moments of vulnerability, have someone that's kind of pulls you back in. Yeah, and uh like you said, it's very easy to spiral and your head starts to go to some bad places, yeah, and then you start to lose picture of uh, I guess what you're really good at, what I've seen you do is just pull people back into the moment and back into the present and be like, okay, let's see what's happening, what's actually happened, yeah, and then you know, focusing back on the next steps.

SPEAKER_00

Yeah. Well, yeah, what I what I find fascinating is where I think, and it's across society, right? We're so wired for negative connotations, thinking versus celebrating what you've actually achieved, like it's so quick to turn negative off the smallest of things.

SPEAKER_01

Yeah, it's so hard because I think our brains are wired to be very uh high alert in terms of any type of injury or pain. And so it's very easy to go like, oh crap, I've done something really bad. Something bad's happened, I need to stop completely. Yeah, and we all know that once you know, once you stop and you stop using it, you're gonna lose it, right? Yeah, so it's just part of that bad spiral.

SPEAKER_00

Yeah, like the typical GP saying, cease everything, rest, which has its place at times, but um, you know, there's times that we beg to differ as well.

SPEAKER_01

Yeah, that's right. And I guess coming back to the point of this podcast is that where you know we could use rest in some in some sort of cases, and we might use medication in some sort of cases, where you kind of specialize is how do you implement and prescribe medicine in a way that's gonna get them out of pain and getting them stronger and getting them another step closer to their goal.

SPEAKER_00

Yeah, yeah, Spotter.

SPEAKER_01

Are there any other strategies that you use to uh help clients kind of overcome barriers to exercise?

SPEAKER_00

Yeah, definitely. We obviously coach clients through various issues. Um, I think clients present with big and small problems, but sometimes the small problems are the biggest problems in their life at the time, so you've got to respect that. I think having a clear plan and pathway in place um is key, making sure we're on the same page, working to the same goal. Yeah, I I think the one percenters really count in what we do as well. So accelerating those small wins with clients, holding them accountable, and just being real with them as well, you know, just saying like it's the nature of the cycle of rehab or whatever that may be. There's going to be setbacks along the way. But um, as long as we, you know, nip that in the butt quickly and keep pushing towards that that main goal and really focusing on the on the meaningful stuff for clients as well. So, you know, why why are we really doing this? Why are you really here? Like, what's the what's the bigger picture here? You know, I've got a gentleman who's coming in with lowback stuff, and he wants to his big goal is to make sure he can run around with the grandkids and be fit and healthy with those guys, and that's the meaningful stuff, right? Like everything else is probably a bit of noise in between.

SPEAKER_01

Yeah, similar to how you were describing the your meaningful why was to get back on that bike. And I think if that wasn't so strong, you know, it's very easy, particularly with like knee injuries and ACLs, once you had surgery, you're feeling okay, you're walking okay after about you know a few weeks and a few months, and it's easy to kind of fall off the track. But yeah, if you have a really good kind of idea and clear uh goal that means a lot to you, um, it's something that you can hang on to in those hard moments. Yeah, and then it obviously makes it easier for us to keep you motivated and keep reminding you of how that exercise or how that treatment plan is kind of gonna get you another step closer and celebrating those small steps to those wins.

SPEAKER_00

Yeah. I think um you just made me think about fear actually as well, then. So because that's a big one that can eat people up, right? So addressing people's fears based off their injury, like obviously some injuries are worse than others, but the smallest of injuries can instill the biggest amount of fear in some people. So working through those, working through the fears and um giving them some strategies around that as well is helpful.

SPEAKER_01

What kind of uh strategies or ways do you manage that?

SPEAKER_00

So yeah, look like it could be a fear of walking downstairs, it could be as simple as that, right? So just baby steps starting starting on something small, um, showing them what's possible and then just building from there, really. That's yeah, that's not it's not rocket science, it's just getting them to realise that they're probably capable more of what they think.

SPEAKER_01

What about chronic disease? That's a tricky one that we deal with here at the studio. Diabetes, cardiovascular disease. How do you keep people consistent um and motivated to kind of keep on that journey?

SPEAKER_00

Yeah, it's a good question talking about that space. Um it's complex, like there's no one-word answer here, I suppose. Um chronic diseases, obviously, as you know, is underlying, right? So, and there's chronic diseases that don't impact people immediately. So the hardest thing we combat is someone could have diabetes, could be a little bit uncontrolled, there's no symptoms, but it's in the background there, um, doing damage at a cellular level. Clients none the wiser, um, unless they've been well educated. But even if they've been educated, there can still be a degree of well, it's not impacting me now. But in five years' time, they could be getting their ankle amputated. Um, I've got I've had the privilege of training a vascular surgeon as well for the last five plus years, and he amputates weekly in relation to diabetes complications. So it's a real thing. I think the big thing here is education uh with with the chronic disease space, helping clients understand what the long-term ramifications are if they don't um get it under control. And um and look, it's not exercise as one medicine, if you like, but um a lot of the time there's multiple people involved. We might have dietitians involved, um, podiatrists, yeah, there's there's plenty. Umagement, making sure there might be medication involved as well. Um, trying to get those people as close to baseline as possible. So when I reference baseline, I'm talking about just normal stats, like so blood pressure being 120 over 80, for example.

SPEAKER_01

I guess what you're saying is the the key thing is if we can hit it early and educate them on why exercise is so important and then get them into a regular program, it makes it a lot easier. What tends to happen is that by the time they're it's picked up through blood tests, it's often not too late, but that process, like you said, on a cellular level that's been happening in the background for quite a while. Yeah. So the earlier I guess you can implement more exercise into your program, into your daily life, it's gonna you know prevent a lot, a lot of that.

SPEAKER_00

Yeah, yeah, totally. And look, a lot of the time we've there's obviously the nutritional side of things as well. Um, I think what we put into our bodies is is super important. I don't know you're all over that yourself, but our body responds in all different ways, right? So sugar's been a hot topic, obviously, um, over the last few years, but it is so easy to go over your RDI, your recommended daily intake for sugar, which is around 11, 12 teaspoons. I was talking about, you know, those Bunderberg drinks, the um like the ginger beers, one of those you're basically at your your intake for the day. Yeah, it's crazy. So I think people find it really hard to stay under the RDI for that.

SPEAKER_01

This time of year, early at the start, we see a lot of new clients come through who are ready to start their new health and fitness journey, yeah. New year and new me. What are some of the common mistakes or pitfalls you see this time of year?

SPEAKER_00

Yeah. I'm absolutely not a fan of new year's resolutions. I think um, you know, I think it's more about when you're ready to take on a new commitment, take it on and start to build the habit because we know habit formation takes time. That's not a flick of the switch kind of thing. So, and that's probably why we see so many new new years resolutions fail. Yeah, I think taking on too much at once or overcommitting is probably one of the biggest things there, or being unrealistic in terms of what what kind of goals we're trying to set. So, yeah, I I think look, daily habit formation is going to be so much more powerful in that space. So when a client does come in and talk about New Year's resolutions, I we uh I I tweak that conversation very quickly and talk about, you know, well, number one, why? Why now, why not six months ago? Um that's one of my my go-to questions. We talk about readiness for change. Like, are you are you really ready to go, like to pull the trigger on this, or is this just a nice idea that you've you thought would be good to do at this time of year? Yeah, I think they're probably my my big ones there.

SPEAKER_01

Yeah, a conversation I had just this morning with a client, and her goal was to increase her step count to 10,000 steps a day. And coming back to what you said, I said the same thing. Like the habit formation of what you do now needs to be able to translate through the rest of the year. And she's like, you know, it's easier to do now because the kids aren't back at school. And I said, Well, why don't you start your early morning an hour or half an hour before the kids need to get ready? And like, don't wait till the kids go to school. Yeah, like start your timer now, set that alarm, and so that the time the kids go to school, you know, that habit's already formed. You're not trying to rely on motivation when you're busy, you're back to work, kids are back to school, you're trying to get everything ready to then implement a new habit. It just makes it so much harder. Yeah, no, totally. In 2018, a study in the annals of medicine found that people with low muscle mass were associated with more surgical complications, longer hospital stays, and poorer quality of life. In your experience and over 30,000 hours of clinical experience, what's the easiest way we can start to build muscle mass?

SPEAKER_00

Progressive overload. So if you haven't been in the gym for a while, or you haven't been in the gym at all, so novice versus intermediate, if you like, either way, we've got to run through we run through a bit of an assessment, see what sort of baseline strength levels we've got at that point in time, and then set up a program that's appropriate to start from. Because you don't want to start too light either. We don't want to start too heavy, we don't want to risk overloading tendons, ligaments, joints, and then the risk of injury on the other side. So it's got to be it's a little bit calculated in terms of the starting point. But then the worst thing you can do is lift the same weight week in, week out, same exercises and expect change. So that progressive overload is just incremental increasing weight. Different exercises will you'll be able to increase at different weights if you like, um, depending on the movement, the size of the muscle. That is key, yeah, to get stronger.

SPEAKER_01

Do you have to lift weights to get stronger?

SPEAKER_00

Um not necessarily. We can uh we start people on home programs as well. Not my favorite thing to do. I think compliance in the home spaces can be tricky. Big, big advocate for change of scenery, environment to disassociate. Um, but yeah, definitely you can start at home. We can start body weight, no dramas.

SPEAKER_01

And can you tell us a little bit more about how the muscle responds to that progressive overload?

SPEAKER_00

Yep. How detailed. So, no, basically, um the muscle will physiologically change in size over time. Um, so you would see an increase in the size of the muscle, not to the point where you're gonna not fit in your clothes necessarily, but um, we know that the cross sectional size of a muscle is linked to the force output of what a muscle can produce. So, yeah, back to your study, I guess. When you if you're going into surgery frail, you come in out frailer, if you like, because you're gonna be bedridden. For however long, and um it's gonna take time to regain that strength, but it's gonna take even longer because of the condition you go in. So pre-op work is paramount um where possible to to try going as strong as possible to enhance the rehab process on the other side. But yeah, I mean physic physiological adaptations happen quickly. Yeah, we see really good results between the first two to eight weeks. Things can start to slow after that, but um, you've got a really good window early on if you haven't been training, yeah.

SPEAKER_01

And how does strength training also then translate to stronger bones?

SPEAKER_00

Yeah, good question. So I guess the physiological makeup of the skeleton versus how the muscles attach to the bones through tendons, thank you, not ligaments. Um when we exercise, there's a change in the muscle length, there's forces that pull on the on the muscles which are attached through ligaments and tendons to the bones. Um, those forces translate to the bone, if you like, through those tendons. Um, and that's um yeah, those forces on the bone is what that's where changes happen on the bone to to lay down good bone density.

SPEAKER_01

So it's pretty amazing. So just by lifting weights, we can increase our muscle mass, which makes, like you said, if we do get injured or if we do end up having surgery, reduces our risk by just having you know more muscle so that we're not losing as much when we get sick. And then we're also getting stronger bones just from responding to the to the exercise and the stress that's on them.

SPEAKER_00

Spotter.

SPEAKER_01

Is there any exercise you recommend that our listeners can start at home to start to build some muscle?

SPEAKER_00

I mean something as basic as a squat. You can play with tempo at home as well.

SPEAKER_01

So what do you mean by tempo?

SPEAKER_00

Yeah, so tempo, so there's different phases of movement. There's a concentric phase and an eccentric phase. In a squat, the eccentric phase is the lowering component of the movement. Um, you're gonna be stronger through that phase of movement. So two to three seconds on the down, then we've got an eccentric pause at the bottom, which you could bring in for a second or two coming back up through the concentric movement and then pausing up the top.

SPEAKER_01

So just to just to kind of break it down, so slowing down on the way down of the squat and then holding and then coming back up.

SPEAKER_00

That's it.

SPEAKER_01

What would you recommend? I guess timing-wise.

SPEAKER_00

Yeah, look, go if you go four or five seconds, you you can't go wrong as a starting point.

SPEAKER_01

On the way down.

SPEAKER_00

Oh, sorry, on the way down two, yeah. Like let's go five seconds all up to do one repetition on the way down and on the way up, if you like. Yeah. That forces control. The other thing we talk about is time under tension. So if you're doing a movement where you're speeding through it and you it's just taking you a second to go down, a second to come up, that's two seconds versus five seconds per repetitions. If you multiply multiply that by ten, you've got 20 seconds under load versus 50 seconds under load. And that's where you're obviously going to be working harder under the 50 seconds.

SPEAKER_01

So if our listeners really enjoyed what you had to say and want to find out more information, what's the best way they can find you?

SPEAKER_00

You could always hop on Google and punch my name in, but uh, I'd be worried that what might come up. So uh Active Movement Studios website, uh, got a profile on there. You find me on Instagram under the movement mechanic. Yeah, they're probably the two main forms of reach out. Also on LinkedIn, guys. So yeah, shoot us a DM.

SPEAKER_01

So, Carl, every episode we have an exercise of the week, and I normally run through that, but since you're the exercise expert here, I'd love you to run through a simple exercise that our listeners can start to implement into their program. Coming back to what you were talking about before about how we can implement uh squats at home and using tempo as a way to overload our muscles, get stronger, and prevent some of those risk factors that we talked about at the start of the podcast.

SPEAKER_00

When we talk about the squat exercise, we it's bodyweight exercise, literally fighting gravity, right? So starting in a standing position, your feet are about hip width apart, toes in line, or you could have your toes rotated outwards slightly. Sometimes, if there's a little niggle in the knees, the slightest change in foot position can make a big difference as well. Um, but otherwise, we want weight through the heels as we're descending through the movement. So you're lowering down, ideally working towards 90 degrees in the knees, but you might start a little bit higher if you're not super strong through that bottom range, which will come over time. Making sure hips, knees, and toes track in a nice straight line when you're looking down your legs. Um, but yeah, good control, two, three seconds down. You might pause at the bottom for a second, come back up in two seconds. I want you to think about squeezing your glutes and your quads when you get up the top. Um, so they're the muscles on your backside and the front of the thigh. Breathing's important. So making sure we're exhaling as we come up. You want to run through about three sets of 15 repetitions, so repeating that movement 15 times, take a 45 to 60 second rest in between your sets and enjoy the uh the muscle pain over the coming days. And are there any ways we can progress that? Yeah, definitely. So tempo is one way, which is the speed of the movement. So slowing the movement down is going to increase the time under tension, which will make you work harder for longer, reproducing more fatigue, which is what we want to do. Um, if you've got some weighted objects around the house, you could hold something on the uh just against your chest, basically, with both hands to make that a bit harder as well.

SPEAKER_01

Great. So if you need to see any videos, uh make sure to check out our show notes. We'll have a link to our Instagram accounts, treatment table podcast, and you'll be able to see some more of those uh regressions and progressions and get your squats implemented into your uh daily program.

SPEAKER_00

Sounds perfect.

SPEAKER_01

So thank you, Carl, for joining us today and sharing your passion and your knowledge for exercise, and thank you for helping so many people prevent the chronic disease that is so common and keeping the lives that you've changed over just those 30,000 hours is incredible. And so thank you for doing what you're doing, and thank you for sharing knowledge on this podcast.

SPEAKER_00

Awesome.

SPEAKER_01

Thanks for having me, Matt. Appreciate it. This episode is brought to you by Active Movement Studio, where we're committed to keeping our community active and moving, helping you live a healthier and happier life. So at AMS, we believe everyone deserves to feel their best no matter how busy life gets. So as a listener of the Treatment Table Podcast, you get 20% off your first appointment by simply mentioning Treatment Table 20 in the booking section. So if you'd like to see Kyle, head to activemovement.com.au to book your initial appointment and mention treatment table 20. And again, thank you very much to our podcaster producer, Nelly, for making us sound so amazing. Thanks again for joining me. I'll see you next time on the treatment table.